Brian
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Post by Brian on Feb 10, 2013 10:40:22 GMT -5
Suppose we allow or even encourage this law for the next ten years. What will be the percentage of evil morons taken down by armed teachers vs teacher-owned weapons accidentally or intentionally causing injury to the student body it is supposed to protect? True, we won't know unless it is tried, but my concern is so grave that I'd support anything to prevent that experiment from being run. 18 states already allow armed teachers and your fantasies of bloodbaths in schools due to teachers carrying guns just don't happen. Liberals in Virginia said the same thing when we passed shall-issue carry permits. "OMG, it will be the Wild West! There will be shootouts over every disagreement." Didn't happen. More recently, they said the same thing about conceal carry in resturants that server alcohol. "OMG, DRUNKS WITH GUNS! There will be a shootout in Applebees every night!". Didn't happen. Psychologists have studied this phenomenon and have a name for it. It's called "projection". Anti-gun people are usually ruled by emotion and have poor self control. They know that they couldn't be trusted to carry a gun and not murder the first person who upsets their fragile mental state, so they assume that everyone else is as unstable as they are.
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bob34
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Post by bob34 on Feb 10, 2013 13:59:05 GMT -5
My $.02 FWIW. Teachers comfortable with carrying guns should be allowed to. Teachers that aren't comfortable with carrying should'nt have to. Although those teachers should realize that one day they may have to depend on that teacher that is carring Speaking of dependence; No person should ever depend on the government for anything other than what it was designed to do under the constitution. None of the 'social programs' we have are in the constitution but as we continue to allow more & more of them at the federal level we have been forced to depend on the government for almost everything. As a conservative that leans liberatarian; I don't believe in legalizing pot. I've been in the DoD either military or as a government civilian for 33 years and been all over the world multiple times. All of the countries I've ever been to that have legalized pot or some other form of narcotic are in terrible terrible shape. The best case is Holland but they are on a downhill slide even faster than most of the rest of Europe. I don't have any statistical anlysis to prove this but my own observation leads me to believe that pot is ALOT more addictive than alchohol therefore more people stay stoned more often than drinkers tend to stay drunk. Gun Control - I'm not adversed to registering my weapons. I am adverse to not being allowed to have any type weapon I want to include full auto with 30 rd + mags. The 2nd ammendment was designed to discourage the government from becoming tyranical. I can't help to do that, if I'm only allowed to have a BB gun as a citizen which is the way we're headed. Today's M4 is yesterdays musket. Most people just look at our government as the one's we the militia must defend ourselves against but I don't think most people realize that citizens owning guns also deters foriegn enemies. If a country invades us, they know they not only have to win against our military, they also know they have to deal with 3 million plus heavily armed citizens. As our rights to bear arms are diminished so is the fear of our enemies which is why the comunist manifesto and now the Islamic Jihad has always been to defeat America within....
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Post by wishforfish on Feb 10, 2013 14:07:22 GMT -5
Exactly...that has been my trouble with all of this since the start. The current administration is very misguided on this fact, believing that sport shooting and hunting is at the heart of the gun control debate, when in fact it is THEM that are feared in their relentless pursuit of stronger central government.
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Post by 2 oars & a trash can on Feb 10, 2013 14:54:11 GMT -5
Hey Bob34, I'm just curious how "No person should ever depend on the government for anything other than what it was designed to do under the constitution" can be reconciled with banning the use of an herb?
Not trying to pick a fight here but it seems like a contradiction, when the deaths related to alcohol and tobacco are well known, the gov't allows it yet bans other things.
I'm not going to pretend to be a constitutional scholar but I kind of doubt it spells that out. Weed doesn't get people high; people get people high. (?)
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Post by 2 oars & a trash can on Feb 10, 2013 15:01:01 GMT -5
Yeah I guess that isn't really a parallel quote, because pot has only one use, where weapons have many, some of which are not a problem, and if getting high is wrong, then having the stuff is wrong also, because as far as know there's nothing else to do with it, except make rope.
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bob34
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Post by bob34 on Feb 10, 2013 15:40:20 GMT -5
asleepafloat, I'll admit that I struggle with the government banning anything because it always leads to banning more stuff and it never ends. I see this side of the liberitarian debate. I don't look at it as a health issue, I look at it as a productivity issue. A democrat once said, it's not what your country can do for you, it's what you can do for your country. How times have changed Anyway, personal experience shows me that pot smokers are more apt to become totally unproductive citizens more so than drinkers are to become alchoholics. Also, I'll admit that while many may think my Christian views should not be part of this particular debate they are who I am as well as our forefathers. Even our forefathers that did not believe in Jesus believed that our republic would fall without 'religion', a sense of morality, and personal responsibility. Jesus could drink wine now and then but not get drunk because he took responsibility not to. I'm not sure if you can smoke a joint and not get stoned...? How many tokes does it take? ;D
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Post by FishON on Feb 10, 2013 16:36:42 GMT -5
Freedom is the best path forward for the USA.
"When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny." Thomas Jefferson
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Post by 2 oars & a trash can on Feb 10, 2013 18:11:44 GMT -5
asleepafloat, How many tokes does it take? ;D I have no idea. Appreciate the reply though.
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Post by mwardncsu on Feb 10, 2013 18:19:54 GMT -5
asleepafloat, How many tokes does it take? ;D I have no idea. Appreciate the reply though. 252. Whoops - that's the # of licks to get to the center of a Tootsie roll lollipop
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