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Post by Shadslinger on Feb 8, 2013 12:49:28 GMT -5
its been said over and over, Does the drug laws stop addicts??, which then also turn to stealing to support those addictions which are "Banned" from use in our country. Or how bout the law against drinking and driving? Thats working to right?? There is a speed limit right? its against the law to drive faster than the set speed limit right? Everybody does it by "choice" You push that pedal to make the car go faster. It didn't speed on its own. People who actually think guns are the problem and not the people aint nothing but hypocrites. That gun has to have someone with a brain to make it work. Those guys in Washington who believe their bull crap while standing behind the secret service and other security who protect them are hypocrites. Anybody with a teeny tiny piece of common sense ought to be able to understand this.
I worked for the City of Danville Public Works Department for 6yrs. I busted my ass 5 days a week no matter if it was pouring down rain, freezing cold, scorching summer days, or nice and pleasant outside. I done this everyday while watching sorry lazy excuses for human beings sit on their porches drinking their 40's and laughing joking having a good ol time. Not just a few houses, I'm talking the whole streets slam full of people like it was a Saturday or Sunday for us working folk. Obviously not handicapped, sick, or disabled. Nothing wrong at all other than to lazy to work for a living. Why is this acceptable? Why is it acceptable that because a woman cant close her legs and has 5 or 6 kids we have to pay for it? Why do I have to take a drug test to get a job and also random tests to keep my job yet they can get welfare and food stamps and smoke all the pot and crack they want? Again anyone with common sense can see this aint right.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2013 16:16:12 GMT -5
Count me as one of the pissed off and had enough too. I agree with everything ya'll said. I don't have any problem calling an idiot an damn idiot. Just wait till the bastards start taxing our health insurance. Ya'll done got me worked up again.....be back later after I've had a few waters and calm down a little.
Sorry Mike, I'm trying to be as respectful and open minded as I can when we have these type of topics but I'll never be so open minded as to let my dang brain fall out.
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Post by 2 oars & a trash can on Feb 8, 2013 22:00:38 GMT -5
Laws don't stop drunk drivers but they make people think. Should drunk driving be legal? No law is 100% effective, so should we eliminate all laws?
Okay that is rhetorical and the answer is probably not. To further the analogy, the weapon is the car and the drunk is a gun show salesman willing to sell to any idiot with $150. Or the drunk is the (now dead) mother who leaves her weapons in reach of her moronic son. A person can abuse their right to drive a car and a person can abuse their right to have a firearm.
Personally, and mostly because of the brain farts (I mean thoughtful posts) I have read on this forum, I think any more restrictive gun laws are counter-productive. They may help somewhat, or they might not, but the culture of gun ownership is so ingrained in our society that, in the face of the fight against maniacs in elementary schools, we as a society would be idiots to alienate such a large portion of ourselves for the small gain that may or may not be achieved.
I mean I see the whole sane culture striving, in the wake of this and similar tragedies, to find a way to prevent any future occurrences. And I see new gun laws as stopping the effort while one half of the populace turns to fist fight with the other half, when we all started out with the same goal.
Be back later after I've had a few more coffee mugs of cheap scotch.
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Post by Shadslinger on Feb 8, 2013 22:24:29 GMT -5
Asleepafloat you are exactly right, Laws do make people think in which the vast majority of people do the right thing. But there is still the minor amount of crazies that are still gonna do what they want. Whether that be speeding, drinking and driving, taking drugs, or sadly murdering innocent people. All I'm trying to say is guns are inanimate objects and are not the problem. Never have been or will be. The higher ups are just taking the easy way out instead of addressing the actual problem that our country is all jacked up. Why would'nt you strive to place armed Police Officers in every school to protect our children? Why wouldnt you allow teachers to conceal carry in order to protect our children? I dunno just seems like the right thing to do.
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Post by 2 oars & a trash can on Feb 9, 2013 0:36:45 GMT -5
Hunter, What do you mean by "all jacked up?" I am not saying you are wrong, I just wonder how you define that.
I have heard that there were armed guards in Columbine.
No matter what, I want my 4th grader in a school that contains as few firearms as possible. This may be a cultural thing and the way I was raised. Even if you (or I) think any upbringing save our own was flawed, we ought to acknowledge that each parent has a right to instill their beliefs in their family ( I mean as long as it isn't psychotic).
I have entertained the scenario of armed teachers, and I thoroughly oppose it. I think it is because I envision every gun in a school as one more potential for a very bad situation. If a students, in whatever way, get his/her hands on a gun that a teacher brought into the school and goes ballistic, is it the teacher that did it? or the student who only had a chance to be that harmful because the teacher had the gun, because the new law said the teacher could? or is it, in this case, finally the gun that, in my mind, never should have been in that school? I think it is harder to say the gun didn't kill anyone if that gun should have never have been in that environment in the first place. That environment is children, adolescent in many cases, vastly out-numbering adults. Middle and high schools are boiling pots of children in the process of becoming adults, often with turmoil involved. I do not want to put a plethora of handguns into that mix and rely on teachers to maintain control over weapons in addition to their other, often overwhelming responsibilities.
Suppose we allow or even encourage this law for the next ten years. What will be the percentage of evil morons taken down by armed teachers vs teacher-owned weapons accidentally or intentionally causing injury to the student body it is supposed to protect? True, we won't know unless it is tried, but my concern is so grave that I'd support anything to prevent that experiment from being run.
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Post by Brian on Feb 9, 2013 0:43:46 GMT -5
If banning cars will keep even one child from being killed by a drunk driver then we have a moral obligation to do it.
No one has a legitimate need for a car anyway, we can all ride the bus. .. some people can be allowed to ride a scooter if it has a governor so that it can't go now than 10 mph and a doctor says they don't ever drink alcohol.
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Post by FishON on Feb 9, 2013 7:07:47 GMT -5
Here is my .02 cents :
The governments answer to ever problem is always the same. We have to do something! That something is spending money and created more laws. The Gov. always means well but, there are soooo many unintended consequences to there laws.. Like the prohibition of alcohol. I am sure they thought is was a good idea until they saw all the unintended consequences that prohibition caused.... I am sure many of you won't agree with me. But, the war on drugs is a joke as well IMO. There is cheap pot everywhere since it is a tax free and underground business. Luckily is doesn't look like there is going to be a war on guns just yet..... IMO if the Gov. started making a bunch of tough gun laws and rules. These laws would create enormously destructive unintended consequences . Like a huge underground black market in guns. Plus, a bunch more criminals breaking into homes to steal guns etc... I just firgured I would give you guys my Libertarian point of view. ~Best
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Post by bigjon on Feb 9, 2013 7:35:57 GMT -5
"I think it is harder to say the gun didn't kill anyone if that gun should have never have been in that environment in the first place."
Shame on that gun for going into that environment, jumping up into someones hand and forcing them to pull the trigger.
With Freedom comes personal responsibility!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2013 7:49:07 GMT -5
Bigjon, you are wasting you breath.
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Post by bigjon on Feb 9, 2013 8:20:15 GMT -5
Bigun, I'm not trying to change anyones mind! I'm just venting! ;D
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2013 8:45:39 GMT -5
I know bigjon, even though some try to make it this way, this is NOT a matter of personal preference..........this is a matter of infringing on our cival liberties and constitutional rights.
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Post by 2 oars & a trash can on Feb 9, 2013 9:11:54 GMT -5
Shame on that gun for going into that environment, jumping up into someones hand and forcing them to pull the trigger. With Freedom comes personal responsibility! Nice job taking that out of context. Responsibility of school children is a whole separate matter. That's why you can't drive until you are 16 and can't drink until you are 21.
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Post by Shadslinger on Feb 9, 2013 12:17:33 GMT -5
Someone murders someone else in cold blood, they may get 20 yrs. All this country does is slap bad folks on the hands. If you murder someone you should get the death penelty no qtns asked. Attempted murder should bring the same penelty. No more of these suspended sentences for drug dealers or addicts, put their asses in their for yrs and yrs to think about what they have done. Start holding people accountable for their OWN actions. That is why this country is jacked up. No one is at fault for what they do and the lowlifes know it. Start holding people accountable for their actions instead of the inanimate objects that they use and I would bet you would see more change than anything else trying to be done.
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Post by bigjon on Feb 9, 2013 19:56:56 GMT -5
asleep, I in no way intended to take it out of context. I read it for what it said. I deleted the other three paragraphs I just typed. ;D I'm done with it! MOLON LABE
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2013 10:11:54 GMT -5
Nice job taking that out of context. Pretty good come-back. ( for a non) ( gun toten" hethern like bigjon)
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