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Post by coheasion on Jun 9, 2016 7:20:04 GMT -5
I have the 40 gallon Xtreme bait tank and am thinking about switching it over to a Dannco set up instead of the keep-alive system it came with. This is a very large 40 gallon tank and holds closer to 50 gallons of water.
The current pump the KA500 (assume this is a 500 GPH pump) model barely gets a circular flow going in this tank so I am thinking of upping my pump to something larger, but not sure if switching to the Dannco will change the amount of water the pump puts out.
So I guess my question is what size pump would you guys suggest if I make this switch? 500 or 750?
On a 2nd note, I would like to add a Y fitting after the pump/venturi that is switchable so I can hook up a hose to this pump to empty the tank with - just flip a ball valve type of thing, attach a length of hose and turn it on and I am pumping out. Has anyone done this before?
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Post by BentRod on Jun 9, 2016 7:45:03 GMT -5
500 should be plenty unless you always run huge shad and want to step up to a 800. Alewives are a little more sensitive to the larger pump though. 500 with a Dannco should make your bait very happy.
I heard something the other day where you can stick a tube over your filter stand pipe (with the other end of the tube down in the lake) and pump your tank water out that way just by running the pump in the tank. Haven't tried it but in theory it should work.
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Post by coheasion on Jun 9, 2016 7:49:06 GMT -5
500 should be plenty unless you always run huge shad and want to step up to a 800. Alewives are a little more sensitive to the larger pump though. 500 with a Dannco should make your bait very happy. I heard something the other day where you can stick a tube over your filter stand pipe (with the other end of the tube down in the lake) and pump your tank water out that way just by running the pump in the tank. Haven't tried it but in theory it should work. "I heard something the other day where you can stick a tube over your filter stand pipe (with the other end of the tube down in the lake) and pump your tank water out that way just by running the pump in the tank. Haven't tried it but in theory it should work." Well - I feel a little bit stupid now for overlooking that - how simple is that??? |
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Post by johnr on Jun 9, 2016 7:50:40 GMT -5
You need to change the plumbing to get anywhere close to the actual gph that the pump is rated for.
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Post by coheasion on Jun 9, 2016 7:54:02 GMT -5
Hi John - can you elaborate on that anymore? Are you referring to the pipe diameters? I believe you have this tank as well....did you upgrade the plumbing in yours?
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Post by johnr on Jun 9, 2016 8:06:43 GMT -5
I pm'd you about this.
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Post by mwardncsu on Jun 9, 2016 8:09:26 GMT -5
I've heard some issues using a Dannco with the X-treme setup due to the black elbow that is in place - may need a little modding or changing out the elbow. I do know that X-treme is moving to using Dannco's vs. the KeepAlive plates in newer tanks...
as to the pump-out - one of our buddies was telling us about that..... apparently he just removes the filter box and puts a hose over it (perhaps with some fittings to adapt to the PVC fitting. The water pressure from the bait-side height pushes the water up - I've not seen it work, but my thoughts are it would need to start a siphon which then pulls water out, vs. really "pumping" it out. I know some guys will remove the output hose from the pump and connect a hose to the pump - but I don't like swapping hoses on the pump after having it fall off in the past overnight (and thus clamping it down now).
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Post by BentRod on Jun 9, 2016 8:34:23 GMT -5
Will a Dannco LB-8 not work plumbed straight to the pump with tubing? Get rid of the elbows.
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Post by johnr on Jun 9, 2016 8:39:08 GMT -5
On mine, the existing bulkhead hole was about 1.625" if I remember correctly. Dannco recommends a 1.25" bulkhead hole. It may still work, I didn't try it.
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Post by mwardncsu on Jun 9, 2016 8:56:55 GMT -5
On mine, the existing bulkhead hole was about 1.625" if I remember correctly. Dannco recommends a 1.25" bulkhead hole. It may still work, I didn't try it. Correct the existing hole in the side-wall is too large to just use the Dannco bulk-head. One could fabricate a "washer" of sorts that would cover the existing hole and allow use of the Dannco without the existing black elbow that is in there.... |
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Post by coheasion on Jun 9, 2016 10:29:03 GMT -5
Is the bulk-head Dannco considered better than the inline version?
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Post by johnr on Jun 9, 2016 11:52:15 GMT -5
The way I understood is that the dannco works best when there are no downstream bends or obstructions. So putting it in the bulkhead allows the bubbles to be injected into the tank as micro bubbles, rather than become larger bubbles while being knocked around in a length of piping between the dannco and outlet.
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Post by Gator on Jun 9, 2016 11:56:10 GMT -5
I don't have the Xtreme tank I have an EZ Flow and I use the bulkhead Dannco and it works great. Like johnr said...it does put out smaller bubbles. No complaints with it.
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Post by coheasion on Sept 8, 2016 16:25:01 GMT -5
Update - I upped the size of the pump and installed an inline Dannco and the tank works much, much better now.
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Post by Brian on Sept 8, 2016 17:48:59 GMT -5
it would need to start a siphon which then pulls water out That's brilliant! Static analysis says that it won't start the siphon because the siphon hose goes higher than the water level, but I bet the inertia of the water coming out of the standpipe will be enough to get over the hump and start the siphon without anyone having to suck on it.  Wish I had been smart enough to think of that... I took the brute force approach and just installed a pump-out pump that is the exact same model as the aerator pump so that I always have a spare pump handy for when the aerator pump inevitably fails.. |
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