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Post by Gator on Jun 9, 2015 7:31:35 GMT -5
While I am usually right  , I'm not sure how much weight I'd place on that experiment. Too many uncontrolled factors, the biggest of which is the knot. He doesn't detail how he tied the knot. I know for a fact that you can dramatically weaken fluorocarbon based on how you lube and tighten the knot. If he didn't know to control this, his knotted results are meaningless, and unknotted results have no practical value IMO. I read the study and they (she's) indicated that they used a uni-knot. May not be the knot that some of us use but I would say that it is the most common knot used. I think that BTG's work speaks for itself. |
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Post by getlinewet on Sept 11, 2015 15:29:08 GMT -5
Gator (and everybody else):
I'm thinking of switching my leaders to flourocarbon. What Lb. test would you suggest? I read somewhere that the leader test should be less than the mono-line test for break-off purposes. Also read tying knots using flourocarbon can be tricky.
Thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2015 20:09:45 GMT -5
Gator (and everybody else): I'm thinking of switching my leaders to flourocarbon. What Lb. test would you suggest? I read somewhere that the leader test should be less than the mono-line test for break-off purposes. Also read tying knots using flourocarbon can be tricky. Thanks. Screw that. If saving a few beads and swivels means losing a big fish, I say make sure your leader is strong. I use 20 pound mono and 20 pound flourocarbon. If my flourocarbon consistently broke off more than my mono, I would move up to 30 pound flourocarbon. With my setup, my breakoffs are about even. However, I do use this technique with my camera pole. 30 pound mono and 20 pound flourocarbon. In terms of knots, a Palomar or uni work great with flourocarbon along with the Travis snell. With the Palomar, you just have to tie it right or it can pinch the line. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2015 20:16:28 GMT -5
I've used Berkley 100 percent fluorocarbon for leader materal with great results.Just a few dollars more than a spool of quality line,i think it's 250 yard spools.Downrods in the trees I use no leader,a pinch on sinker below the weight.when you get hung steady pressure will slide weight to the hook and usally jiggle it loose and get it back.Reset and rebait. Now that there is a great idea! Tacit knowledge revealed! |
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Post by getlinewet on Sept 11, 2015 21:33:23 GMT -5
Yam:
I have 30 lb mono on my line and I bought a spool of 20 lb flourocarbon for new leaders. Looks like I should buy a spool of 30 lb flouro for the leaders. I don't like losing fish/lures either.
I have tied my fishing knots the same way for 40 years. I have no idea what kind of knot I'm tying but I haven't had much trouble yet. I guess with flouro you have really got to slobber on the line when you're tying the knot.
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Post by mwardncsu on Sept 11, 2015 22:08:24 GMT -5
I use the uni-knot pretty much exclusively with flouro, mono or braid (or joining any of the three). Slobber up the knot really good before tightening. Had very few if any knot failures.... yet.. course now that I say that I'll be cursed all fall... dooh!
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Post by Happy Camper on Sept 12, 2015 6:39:02 GMT -5
I've used Berkley 100 percent fluorocarbon for leader materal with great results.Just a few dollars more than a spool of quality line,i think it's 250 yard spools.Downrods in the trees I use no leader,a pinch on sinker below the weight.when you get hung steady pressure will slide weight to the hook and usally jiggle it loose and get it back.Reset and rebait. Now that there is a great idea! Tacit knowledge revealed! |
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Post by Happy Camper on Sept 12, 2015 7:09:15 GMT -5
whats up all,haven't had much to say lately.felt like who am I to tell someone how to fish no more than I have been getting to fish lately.
the pinch on sinker trick was shown to me by a friend who guided sml back in the late 80,s and 90's,.it works,you will get hung and break off sometimes but you will be surprised how many times you will get your lead back. with the lighter hook used in summer for ales the hook will bend and all you need to replace is the hook,and check your line for frays.
I also make my own 2 oz sinkers from a trolling weight mold that I have drilled out to use the rod from an egg mold,long and skinny instead of round like an egg sinker.
I also use 20 # leader and 20 line with about even break off rate,and most allways use a palamar knot,hope this helps someone.
"waiting on fall missing sml like a lost love"....kenny
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Post by striperjohn on Sept 12, 2015 7:22:26 GMT -5
Camper sounds good. I've gone away from fluorocarbon, I simply don't think the gain is any better for the price. Just me.
I did start trying to use walleye sinkers, they're long (about 3-4 inches and come in different weights, they have a connection on one end and they curve and are coated with Teflon) for my down rods for fishing deep in and around the trees. They seem to work better for me, thus far.
But Getlinewet, remember a lot of guys on here fish different methods, you probably need to experiment a bit and see what works for you. I've seen guys pulling downlines behind the boat at about a 25-35 degree angle. Others fish them slow and some barely move. Different tactics could change the weights, hooks etc that you use.
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Post by getlinewet on Sept 12, 2015 9:40:24 GMT -5
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Post by Happy Camper on Sept 12, 2015 10:00:18 GMT -5
Good luck theres always hungry trees in smith mt. lake,like john said you have to find what work for you.TIME ON THE WATER,will teach more than anything and self confidence is everything !
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Post by lund1 on Sept 13, 2015 17:22:29 GMT -5
I'm confused by fluorocarbon line. Theres 300 yards spools of fluero for $25 and then there's 30 yard spools of fluoro leader for $25 ( estimate numbers)....what's the deal? Is the leader much finer and more "invisible"? Every time I tie on 3' I think theres 2 bucks....
Is everybody using the high end stuff? is it worth it?
i guess my primary question is what's the difference? The guys at bass pro have no idea!
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Post by striperjohn on Sept 14, 2015 5:18:38 GMT -5
Hey lund, for many years I purchased the 30 yd spools of fluorocarbon leader for like 75.00, best on the market. Still lost many fish. But I used it because it was supposedly invisible to the fish. I switched to cheaper stuff once I retired and didn't notice a bit of difference. Now I'm using regular ole Stren original for my line and my leaders and have noticed no difference whatsoever. Granted I have downscaled pound test simply because the lake doesn't hold the monsters it used to hold. But think about this: the draw to fluorocarbon is because the fish can't see it. But yet these fish go after whatever the hell Yam is pulling with that damned camera swinging back and forth on a rope? If that camera doesn't spook them then regular fishing line certainly won't. BTW for those guys who say leader line is produced "special, to be tougher then other lines". Not so. TV show called "How it's Made" had an episode where line was being produced for saltwater fishing. Had 30lb test coming down an assembly line and one side did 25 yards spools of "leader line" and the same line went on to fill up 300 and 500 yard spools of "fishing line". Go figure.  Save your money and don't worry about fluorocarbon, it's just another gimmick IMHO. If you buy it you probably should also get a box of Banjo minnows and helicopter lures.  |
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Post by archenemy on Sept 14, 2015 6:10:04 GMT -5
Where do I get the banjo minnows and helicopter lures ?  Sent from my XT1080 using proboards |
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Post by drag4striper on Sept 14, 2015 6:17:43 GMT -5
Late night TV ! OH! A recliner and credit card helps. |
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, I'm not sure how much weight I'd place on that experiment. 
Save your money and don't worry about fluorocarbon, it's just another gimmick IMHO. If you buy it you probably should also get a box of Banjo minnows and helicopter lures. 
