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Post by Pete D. on Aug 30, 2014 22:30:43 GMT -5
Hey fellas. Just thought you would be interested in something that I have noticed with the new Simrad vs. Lowrance. I have heard that the Simrad sonar units are just plain better. Well, from what I can see, the Simrad structure scan does a way better job at pulling the fish OUT in the side scan. The lowrance seems to wash out the bottom, before really giving good fish returns on the side scan. I am awaiting on Jim's (person who took these shots) feedback on the matter, but in the mean time I'd like to hear what you guys think. All following photos property of JimHemby Striper Guide Service. Lowrance  Simrad  Lowrance  Simrad  Lowrance  Simrad  |
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Post by Pete D. on Aug 30, 2014 22:50:14 GMT -5
Soooooooo, all that being shown, the simrad evo2's have the 7, 9 and 12 touch just like lowrance.
Right now you can get the lowrance
7T w/SS (ducer)for $1040, the 9T w/SS for $1700 and the 12T w/SS for $2450
To add CHIRP you are looking at $700 more.
The Simrad Evo2 7(no ducers) can be had for $1100, 9 for $2200, and 12 for $3500. Add broadband ducer and LSS-2 ducer, now were talking an extra $400.
So with both ducers, 7Evo2 for $1500, 9Evo2 for $2600, and 12Evo2 for $3900.
But, on the upside, in order to have the same Chirp capabilities, you simply have to pay $300 for the Airmar TM150 since Chirp is internal in the Evo2. The Evo 2 is also LIGHTNING FAST!!!! I was very impressed.
Prices for units with broadband, LSS2, and Chirp as well as all transducers:
7T $1740 9T $2400 12T $3150
7Evo2 $1800 9Evo2 $2900 12Evo2 $4200
Looks a little more comparable price-wise now, doesn't it? If you are looking to upgrade, and already own the broadband ducer as well as the LSS-2 ducer, this is a no brainer IMO.
Now note that all of the Lowrance prices I have given you are ROCK BOTTOM that I have found because they are prepping up for next year. On the flip side, the Evo2 just got released not too far back.
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Post by Pete D. on Aug 30, 2014 22:56:53 GMT -5
I really like the size and function of the 9 touch. It seems to have the size, function and price that suits me well. After seeing these image comparisons though, I think I will spend the extra $900 on the Simrad 9 Evo2. So, you can bet that right around Christmas time this year (only 4 months  that I will be posting screenshots of my new 9Evo2. That is, unless for some un-godly reason I change my mind and decide to scoop up a Simrad12. |
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Post by BentRod on Aug 31, 2014 7:27:48 GMT -5
I'm not so sure that those pictures are necessarily representative of the capabilities of Lowrance's SS units. I find clear stripers and bait all the time. I'm sure Simrad is better overall..it is after all Lowrance's high end unit..why wouldn't it be better and more expensive..would be disappointing if it wasn't better. BUT, is Lowrance good enough for 99.9% of your lake fishing...heck yeah it is. If I had $5k to blow, I'd get the Simrad no doubt..if not, I'd get a Lowrance and wouldn't think twice about it. I value my money and I don't see the SIMRAD giving me $1-2k more in value for what I do. The only reason I have a HDS is bc the LSS helps me find bait and fish quicker which saves me time and money. Otherwise, I'd still only run a regular LCX unit. Just my .02.
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Post by Pete D. on Aug 31, 2014 8:19:13 GMT -5
You running lss1 or 2? Shoot my humminbirds did an awesome job!
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Post by BentRod on Aug 31, 2014 11:13:56 GMT -5
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Post by Pete D. on Aug 31, 2014 12:06:53 GMT -5
Well that is interesting. I still run into guys that prefer LSS-1 over 2. Def. something to think about there.
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Post by tommyfishes on Aug 31, 2014 18:20:54 GMT -5
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Post by Pete D. on Aug 31, 2014 19:44:45 GMT -5
I really like my HDS9 not saying i wouldn't take an HDS12 or Simrad unit. Here are some shots taken with an iphone its much cleaner on the unit! Tommy, Thanks for the feedback man!! I like the 9's also. They looked a hell of a lot brighter to me on display, and honestly, the 12" screen was no easier for me to read the structure scan than the 9" is. Maybe if you cut it down to four panels. I have a Raymarine GPS/Chartplotter for charts that I run anyways, so really the only thing I'd run on the unit would be SS and 2d sonar, like you have done. The thing that I really like about the touch units, is the way Jim sets his up. I think having the side scan on the top with 2d on the bottom is very effective. Beats the way my HB did it, with 2d on one side and SI on the other, like this......  |
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Post by Pete D. on Sept 6, 2014 9:49:56 GMT -5
So, to finish up this topic, I heard back from Jim Hemby, who is a striper guide or "THE" striper guide, and the one who took these screen shots. According to him, the SS inside the simrad and lowrance is exactly the same. He said that he does like the glass screen on the simrads. I was on a friends boat yesterday, and he had the new NSS7 EVO2 running chirp sonar ethernetted to his HDS-9 touch. We had 2d running on the nss7 and SS on the 9. It was really easy to mark bait, schools of stripers, and everything else. What a nice setup!!
So I have found a source for a brand new 12M Touch, with Sonarhub and 2d transducer for $2200. The 12M does not have the broadband or lss-2 onboard, but with the addition of the sonarhub, it gives the unit the capability of broadband, CHIRP and LSS-2. So basically, it is a more cost effective setup for 12 touch and chirp. I also learned first hand, that the lowrance skimmer is capable of running single frequencies, as well as High and Med Chirp off of the simrad or sonarhub. The main advantage of the TM150 is for deeper water usage, and you can also create custom median frequencies for the CHIRP to run on.
Needless to say, I am going to order a 12M with sonarhub and add the LSS-2 ducer to it.
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Post by striperjohn on Sept 6, 2014 12:52:57 GMT -5
Hey sutor if you look it up the Simrad and Lowrance sidescan units are built in the same plant with identical components. The systems were introduced as one unit by Navico who owns both. The transducers are interchangeable, crystals in ss have identical specs and output, thus one can not be better than the other. Big discussion about this with factory rep input on website www.thehulltruth.com. Sent from my SCH-R760 using proboards |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2014 4:56:26 GMT -5
I'm not so sure that those pictures are necessarily representative of the capabilities of Lowrance's SS units. I find clear stripers and bait all the time. I'm sure Simrad is better overall..it is after all Lowrance's high end unit..why wouldn't it be better and more expensive..would be disappointing if it wasn't better. BUT, is Lowrance good enough for 99.9% of your lake fishing...heck yeah it is. If I had $5k to blow, I'd get the Simrad no doubt..if not, I'd get a Lowrance and wouldn't think twice about it. I value my money and I don't see the SIMRAD giving me $1-2k more in value for what I do. The only reason I have a HDS is bc the LSS helps me find bait and fish quicker which saves me time and money. Otherwise, I'd still only run a regular LCX unit. Just my .02. I would put a value of >.02 cents on your opinion. The word I am hearing from the non-salesmen is that Simrad may be overkill for lake fisherman. A touch more clarity on shadows still ain't gonna help someone who doesn't understand what they are looking at. It's just cool for those of us who can appreciate the fine detail. Jack Daniels will get you drunker than Dom Perignon. I agree with Brian, save your money and keep the birds. |
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Post by Pete D. on Sept 21, 2014 20:21:21 GMT -5
I'm not so sure that those pictures are necessarily representative of the capabilities of Lowrance's SS units. I find clear stripers and bait all the time. I'm sure Simrad is better overall..it is after all Lowrance's high end unit..why wouldn't it be better and more expensive..would be disappointing if it wasn't better. BUT, is Lowrance good enough for 99.9% of your lake fishing...heck yeah it is. If I had $5k to blow, I'd get the Simrad no doubt..if not, I'd get a Lowrance and wouldn't think twice about it. I value my money and I don't see the SIMRAD giving me $1-2k more in value for what I do. The only reason I have a HDS is bc the LSS helps me find bait and fish quicker which saves me time and money. Otherwise, I'd still only run a regular LCX unit. Just my .02. I would put a value of >.02 cents on your opinion. The word I am hearing from the non-salesmen is that Simrad may be overkill for lake fisherman. A touch more clarity on shadows still ain't gonna help someone who doesn't understand what they are looking at. It's just cool for those of us who can appreciate the fine detail. Jack Daniels will get you drunker than Dom Perignon. I agree with Brian, save your money and keep the birds. Birds are gone brother!!! I got a 12er ready to slap on the console. |
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that I will be posting screenshots of my new 9Evo2. That is, unless for some un-godly reason I change my mind and decide to scoop up a Simrad12.
