Post by getlinewet on Feb 19, 2014 22:04:07 GMT -5
Back in Ohio, Sunday hunting was passed many years ago. I guess there was a religious bent to the anti Sunday hunting restriction prior to the rule change. Personally, I found that Sunday hunting came in very handy when you were renting a cabin for a week to do some hunting (turkey/deer) in southern Ohio.
Post by grasscutter on Feb 19, 2014 22:38:30 GMT -5
I'm not fond of it...I'm not that religious but just figure the game needs a day off......but on the other side of the fence....a man is working a split shift and has kids in school...gives him time in the woods with his kids or just himself......I'm fortunate that my business allows me to hunt everyday....muzzle loader and regular fire arm season...I have 11 Walker hounds and love to hear that hound music.... I get the majority of my meat still hunting muzzle loader season
I picked up a copy of the hunting regulations last week and the Sunday hunting is only on private land as I read it.
You also need a $21 bear license to hunt bear. I wonder if they reduced the deer/bear/turkey license fee from last year or kept it the same? With all the different fees for muzzleloader, archery and rifle, I wonder if this is the end of hunting. Someone with several kids would have a hard time justifying the costs in the long run. He would be better off taking out a mortgage on a piece of land for his hunting paradise.
I haven't hunted on public land since the late 80's. I'm thinking the bear situation is more politics since a lot of bears are killed by deer hunters. While the costs are directed at the end user, I wonder what the out come will be?
In the old days it was a lot simpler. Also the hunting regulations is printed on glossy paper which had to cost some money. Maybe the advertisements picked up the tab.
This chart shows that the licenses sales have remained flat. Maybe the earlier decline was due to the separate license for archery, muzzleloader and rifle season.
I think they would be better served to have one license for use with any kind of weapon. Individual weapon seasons are short and there can be bad weather resulting in money wasted.
While they took the bear license out of the deer/bear/turkey license, they left the fee at $23 for the deer/turkey license. So why didn't they offer a separate deer and turkey license?? So you can see where this is headed.
They should have enough data on licenses to set up a license rates to get the maximum number of people hunting while keeping their budget fully funded from the license fees. I think they need to be reminded that they are working for the taxpayers and need to do a better job. Price the services too high and you will lose subscribers.
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This article describes the period of the late 80's when the license fees were $12 each for a hunting license and a big game license. Also they note that bear hunters with dogs kill up to 70 percent of the bear harvest. In 1988 bear hunters killed 54%, deer hunters 33% and bow hunters 13%.
Post by Happy Camper on Aug 3, 2015 12:52:10 GMT -5
I have heard,that they have passed sunday hunting on private land in nc as well this year,mixed feelings about that but agree it will be great for anyone whose work keeps them from hunting during the week.I think the insurance companys are pushing for this due to collisions.The deer population has exploded here in recent years(to many trophy hunters that will not shoot does) almost any trail coming into our soybean fields has a half moon effect where they start eating.They are issueing crop damage permits and farmers are shooting them year round(usally in the gut so they run out of the field,so they don't have to get them up)what a waste!! now nc requires a hunter ed.cert,that will stop a lot of young people from getting to tag along on there first hunt.Don't belive we should send them unsupervised or even to stand alone without someone by there side,but these things are making it harder to get kids into the outdoors.
I agree that license fees have got out of hand,When I had a camper on the lake,for 6 years in a row I spent about $300 a year on nonresident fishing license for the wife and I and 4 grandkids over 12 to fish here,i have never objected to license fees ,explaining to them that is what keeps the wildlife programs and ramps going.
By the way,$300 is what I paid for my lifetime sportsman license in N.C. in the early 80's I think they are 500 now,still a very good investment for any young person.As fees and changes take effect,with lifetime license you should be grandfathered in,i know I was on the NC saltwater fishing license update and this money is supposed to be in a fund forever,only the intrest is used for programs
Post by formula180 on Sept 9, 2015 22:34:55 GMT -5
Bill Cochran: New bear license has hunters growling
The Roanoke Times
Posted: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 4:55 pm
By Bill Cochran | Special to The Roanoke Times
Few things have divided outdoor sportsmen more than Virginia’s new $21 bear hunting license.
It has dominated the conversation wherever hunters gather, and has enlivened chat rooms with caustic comments. One Facebook group, titled Hunters Opposed to Virginia’s Bear Tag, has collected nearly 2,500 signatures from people who oppose the license.
The Department of Game and Inland Fisheries has gone into overtime mode trying to address the questions and concerns hunters have about the license.
Such spats can be harmful to hunting, a sport that already has enough enemies without creating more from within its ranks.
“You can’t have hunter against hunter,” said Leon Turner, DGIF board member from Fincastle.
Here’s my recommendation: Since the license already is in place for the 2015-16 hunting season, like it or not, let’s give the debate a rest. Let’s enjoy the hunting season. When it ends, DGIF biologists can carefully analyze the impact that the license had on the bear kill and on the agency’s budget. Stakeholders can have their say, then it can be determined if the license is worth the money, needs to be adjusted pricewise or should be rescinded.
It was haste that got us into trouble in the first place. The license was not a recommendation of DGIF biologists; rather, it was promoted by the Virginia Bear Hunters Association who found a strong advocate in newly appointed DGIF board member Watkins Abbitt of Appomattox. Abbitt served in the Virginia General Assembly for 26 years and is a bear hunter.
The board approved the license by a 5-to-4 vote.
“I did not feel that enough analysis had been done on the impact that a separate bear license would have,” said Bill Bolling, DGIF vice chairman and former Virginia lieutenant governor. Bolling, who lives in Mechanicsville, voted against the license.
If the vote were taken today, the outcome would be different, he believes.
“I would say that I think the board has heard loud and clear that most hunters aren’t happy about the separate bear license,” he said.
The issue could go before the 2016 General Assembly, Bolling said, but he hopes that doesn’t happen.
“The decision really should be made by the [DGIF] Board,” he said.
The Virginia Bear Hunters Association, a hound-hunting organization, has advocated a bear license for 15 years. Its president, David Steger of Catawba, believes the license offers two major benefits.
It elevates “the status of Virginia’s black bear to that of a primary target” and provides “better statistical data to DGIF to manage the resource.”
Steger also hopes the license will generate funds that can be used to teach Virginians how to coexist with wildlife, especially bears.
While some foes see the license as an effort by organized bear hunters to hog the resource, others are just peeved that it is going to cost them extra money if they want a chance at a bear.
In the past, hunters have been able to buy a big game license that covered deer, bear and turkey. Now they must pay extra for the stand-alone bear license and the cost of the remaining deer/turkey license has not been discounted. It is $23, the same as last year when it included bear.
That raises a couple of questions:
Are deer hunters going to pay extra for a bear license on the outside chance they might come across a bear? More than half the bear kills in the past have come at the hands of opportunistic hunters. If these hunters don’t buy a bear license will the bear population get out of hand?
Those are questions yet to be answered. Some DGIF board members believe the license will generate additional income for wildlife management, but if deer hunters don’t buy it, maybe even boycott it, just the opposite may be the case.
DGIF has acquired an outside agency to look at its license structure with an eye toward meeting future funding demands.
By last week, approximately 5,000 resident bear licenses have been sold along with 117 nonresident licenses, which sell for the fleecing price of $150. I’m guessing many of the early sales went to hound hunters, who already are involved in the chase season.
Jaime Sajecki, DGIF bear project leader, believes the license will result in a short-term reduction in the bear kill, which has exceeded 2,000 the past seven seasons. If that occurs, changes in management practices could be required, and DGIF is equipped to do that.
“Everyone really wants what is best for bears and bear-hunting recreation,” she said.
The licensing fees need to be analyzed to provide the most money and fair system for all the types of hunters. They should have reduced the deer/turkey license since it no longer included bear.
In high school, we hunted bear with the Campbell's, Small's and several other families that had packs of dogs. We hunted the Three Ridges area and part of what is now Wintergreen. There were lots of white oak trees in that area and the bears did very well. It was real music hearing the dogs chase the bear.
Early in the morning at day break, several people with dogs would check all the favorite bear crossings for scent. When a scent trail was found, standers were placed around the area where the bear was know to be. The pack of dogs were brought in and turned loose on the scent.
They averaged about 30 bear a year if I recall correctly. In years with heavy mass, the bears approached 400 pounds. In years when there were few bears, they just let the bear escape or called the dogs off. You always had to consider stock for next year.
It was expensive to keep all those dogs so a lot of the bear waste products were saved and frozen for dog food. Some of them paid as much as $2000 for a good bear dog which was a lot of money back then. It wasn't unusual to loose a few dogs due to the bears or lost during the hunt. You will always find a burlap bag laying in the area where the dog was released if the dog is lost in hopes that the dog would return.
I never shot a bear but it was one of the fond memories that you cherish. Around the early 70's, someone was buying up the mountain land for as little as $50 an acre. At the time, no one knew that it was to be Wintergreen. Still the Three Ridges area is protected since it is National Forest.
The bear hut where they skinned and butchered the bear was at the Campbell's in Beech Grove. Wish I had had a camera back then and taken pictures of the events. They are all gone now and traditions such as bear and coon hunting are slowly dying.
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