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Post by lund1 on Sept 18, 2017 16:44:26 GMT -5
I know this has been discussed before but Lund2 has a fever for keeping bait...so we're kicking it around. We're thinking about drilling a gazillion 1/2'' holes in a 50 - 80 gallon garbage can, tying it off at the handles...filling it with shad and sinking it off the floater...about 20' deep ( there are a few other options to drop in less then 20'). I'm thinking it may be close to impossible to pull it up without extensive extended pulleys, etc....can't quantify the degree of resistance the loaded can of water will offer ( even with the gazillion holes)...thankfully we have this forum filled with technical minds to pose the question to. Can anyone offer any first hand experience and/or general thoughts as to the likelihood of this working in any way?
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Post by coheasion on Sept 19, 2017 10:54:30 GMT -5
While I can't offer up any advice on how feasible this will be, I would like to comment because I believe you should be the one fully behind this bait cage scheme. Here is my reasoning: lund2 receives the following - boat rental, rod and reel rental, use of bait tank and salt, boat maintenance and in return, lund1 receives a full bait cage at the end of every Lund2 trip for use during the following week. Sounds like a fair deal to me!
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Post by lund1 on Sept 19, 2017 11:23:51 GMT -5
Ha!...well said Chris! You left out the part about a bed to sleep in, AC/Heat, Netflix, WiFI, etc....all the trappings a young man needs for a gentlemen's fishing weekend. A bait tank filled with healthy mongo's isn't much to ask for in return.
Where's the vast wealth of knowledge and experience related to bait cage options?
Yam - can't you run some kind mathematical calculation including water weight, garbage can surface tension, drilled hole relief variance and shad population within the can....all the factors that will dictate a 60 year olds ability to pull the damn thing up?
Or should I just drill the thing and throw it off the dock....field tested for real.......
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Post by johnr on Sept 19, 2017 11:47:38 GMT -5
Drill lots of holes.
Put a couple 500 gph pumps in the can, pushing water out. This will ensure you get a good water exchange, because you likely won't drill enough holes to allow water to flow freely enough to keep them healthy. Kinda like an exhaust fan...
And keeping the shad at their preferred seasonal depth would be ideal. Maybe wire 2 cans together to allow them more room to self adjust.
You'll be able to get it to the surface, as it'll be a neutral buoyancy when filled with water. Getting it much out of the water will be a challenge until it drains.
Do it!
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Post by bushwacker on Sept 19, 2017 13:04:57 GMT -5
I have a 32 gallon one I tie off to the dock while i am there. I have not sunken it though. I drilled lots of holes all around and put a pool noodle at the top so it will float. It's does the trick as far as keeping bait for a few days. I fill my bait tank with bait then I start to fill up the can. This way as I fish I don't have to catch bait every trip. Most of what goes in the can is what I catch at my dock, mostly ales. I do have some die each night though. I take it out when I leave or else it fills up with algae. Bait stays much better in the cooler months. May need to sink it in the summer. Being 32 gallon I don't have much problem lifting it to get it out of the water or to release water to get baits in the bottom. I am thinking a much bigger one would be a bear to try and get bait out of alone.
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Post by R22 on Sept 19, 2017 13:33:29 GMT -5
Although a bait cage is certainly not perfect I believe it would work much better than the trash can. The circulation is much better with the. Adding a pump to create some additional flow of water makes them work even better as johnr recommends. KB had one for sale and I have one I would probably sell as well.
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Post by Gator on Sept 19, 2017 13:44:22 GMT -5
50 gallons of water is only about 415 pounds. That isn't too heavy to pull out of the water and set on the dock. Come on Lund1....
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Post by ghostcomanche©® on Sept 19, 2017 14:29:00 GMT -5
If your dock has electricity, go to Northern Tool and buy a small electric winch. You can get them for around $100.00 (or less) and they will be more than enough to get a can out of the water. They come with a cable and hook already installed. All you would have to do is bolt it to the dock somewhere. It would sure be easier on your back, than trying to man handle a heavy can. Just a thought....
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Post by Yam on Sept 19, 2017 19:02:23 GMT -5
Bait cages make no sense to me. Bottom line, the lake is the perfect bait tank. Throw your net and go get you some.
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Post by Yam on Sept 20, 2017 6:03:54 GMT -5
Okay, I have thought more about your problem. Let's revisit the issue.
Lund2 wants to become an ultimate bait master. Not only does he want to catch bait for fishing, he now wants to collect them and keep them alive in a cage.
Perhaps at first thought, the easiest solution was to sink a trapping device. Yet, it occurs to me that if this device is maximized, first, it won't be that easy to make in terms of cost and effort, and second, it won't really hold the bait very long and likely will negatively affect the bait from minute 1. Thus, I still conclude, just go catch your bait.
However, this does not solve Lund2's desire to master his bait. Hence, I will conclude that an above ground tank should be considered. This would allow Lund2 the ability to experiment with water chemistry and filtering configurations where the end result could lead to long term storage of healthy, shiney, and very strong bait that is better than it was prior to meeting Lund2's net. The overall cost will not be much more than a cage with unlimited upside in terms of adding value to his fishing experience. Of course, you might need to convert one of your bedrooms to a bait room, but hey, Lund2 should be allowed to scratch his master baiter itch!
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Post by lund1 on Sept 21, 2017 7:31:40 GMT -5
Thanks for all the replies....particularly the Yam suggestion of converting a bedroom to a bait room...Mrs. Lund is all in on that one. As weekend fishermen I can see endless issues with an above ground....power outages, clogged filters, 200+ gallons of putrified water with 40lbs of dead shad. The list could go on and on. Maybe the obvious solution is early retirement? I guess the only question would be mine or Lund2's?...after all ...he has been in the full time work force for close to 2 years. He deserves a break. I've tried wire cages with mixed results....in fact there's one beat to sh#t floating off the dock right now. I may try to repair and sink it. But truly...Yam is right...the lakes a perfect bait cage holding pristine shad waiting to be netted....maybe I should focus on getting Gator on the boat to throw that net...the guy doesn't stop. Hope to be fishing this weekend....so glad to see the air temps at 85 and the H2O climbing every hour.....sigh.
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Post by greywalls on Sept 21, 2017 9:07:46 GMT -5
Sounds as though a shad hatchery might not be a bad business idea for one of you guys more well-heeled than I. 'Could probably kick it off for under $1.5M...
One of those $250 Calusas are starting to sound more reasonable.
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Post by ghostcomanche©® on Sept 21, 2017 9:53:04 GMT -5
Sounds as though a shad hatchery might not be a bad business idea for one of you guys more well-heeled than I. 'Could probably kick it off for under $1.5M... One of those $250 Calusas are starting to sound more reasonable. Good idea,........if it wasn't illegal to sell shad in Virginia. You could save a lot of hassle.....just start using artificials.....
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Post by quackquackboom on Sept 21, 2017 10:56:51 GMT -5
What is the reasoning behind it being illegal to sell shad in va?
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Post by ghostcomanche©® on Sept 21, 2017 11:06:19 GMT -5
What is the reasoning behind it being illegal to sell shad in va? I'm not real sure, but it may have to do with the game department worrying that too many shad would be removed for commercial purposes.? Especially if their is a major shad die off, or a bad spawn in any given year? Just my guess.....
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