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Post by flyrod on Apr 5, 2016 9:31:41 GMT -5
So there is big bass tournament coming to SML in late April. Read in the paper that they expect 600 anglers so at least 300 boats. My question is late April is right about when the LMB should be nesting, is it bad for the fishery to have that kind of fishing pressure during nesting?
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Post by ghostcomanche©® on Apr 5, 2016 10:15:40 GMT -5
I bass fish quite a bit, but when they are on the beds, I prefer to leave them alone.
Does it hurt the fishery? I don't know for sure. I'm not a bioliogist, or even close to being an expert on the subject, but I think it doesn't help the fishery to snatch the females off their beds, especially if they have already laid their eggs. Unguarded eggs, or fry, probably don't have much chance of survival from predators when left unguarded.
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Post by flyrod on Apr 5, 2016 10:26:05 GMT -5
That's sort of what I was thinking as well. Wonder why they would schedule a tournament to coincide with nesting? I know it makes catching and little easier and this tourney is an "amateur " tournament. Wonder if DIGF has input to tournament schedules?
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Post by ghostcomanche©® on Apr 5, 2016 10:32:36 GMT -5
Here's an article on the subject, and according to it, not much damage is caused. www.jimporter.org/articles/article111.shtmlBut even at that, it's just my personal preference not to mess with them while they are "doing their thing". |
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Post by fatdaddy on Apr 5, 2016 10:47:53 GMT -5
That's a good read Pal thanks for posting it !! Always wonder if it was safe to snatch a bass of the bed !! I Guess if you release it where it caught then may not be to risky !!!
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Post by mwardncsu on Apr 5, 2016 11:40:35 GMT -5
Good info - I have asked the same myself in past years with the Oakley (now the Bass Pro / Huk?) event.... that article obviously could have a bias, but seems to be backed back reasonable sources (though I guess you'd have to review the source material to confirm).
It's likely that what is as or more damaging to the largemouth population are the hot-water summer-time tournaments..... I know last year one or more of the groups stopped or changed the way they were doing their tourneys a bit to help address this concern - kudo's to them for doing so....
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Post by ghostcomanche©® on Apr 5, 2016 14:32:06 GMT -5
That's sort of what I was thinking as well. Wonder why they would schedule a tournament to coincide with nesting? I know it makes catching and little easier and this tourney is an "amateur " tournament. Wonder if DIGF has input to tournament schedules? I have been involved in fishing and organizing many tournaments, and as far as I know, the VDGIF is not involved in the scheduling of local "club" bass tournaments which are normally pretty small (50-60 boats or less), however I have heard somewhere that if a tournament expects more than a certain number of boats, or the payout exceeds a certain "cash or prize" amount, then the tournament organizers may need to get a permit from the VDGIF to hold the tournament. But this is just uninformed speculation on my part. Maybe someone else on the forum can add to this "un-intended rumor"  |
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Post by flyrod on Apr 5, 2016 17:00:39 GMT -5
Good article but I remain skeptical that a bass caught in Betty's and weighed in and released at Crazy Hourse would find its way back to her fry. That said I think tournament organizers are probably pretty good about caring for the fishery otherwise they would be hurting the future of their sport.
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Post by mwardncsu on Apr 5, 2016 17:12:46 GMT -5
We have to get a permit for Striper tournaments, pay a fee and provide data back on the tournament catch....... Would be nice if the bass guys did as well as a way to get info back on the fishery.
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Post by tblspoon on Apr 5, 2016 20:17:16 GMT -5
Fishing tournaments, etc. It shall be unlawful to organize, conduct, supervise, or solicit entries for fishing tournaments, rodeos, or other fishing events on lakes, ponds, or streams owned by the Department for which prizes are offered, awarded, or accepted based on size or numbers of fish caught, either in money or other valuable considerations. This will not prohibit events approved by the Department which are intended to promote youth fishing or provide instruction, provided no prizes, as defined above, are awarded and no participation fees are charged.
As stated in the handbook.
With that said, does the dept. own SML?
All the little tournaments are at risk. Almost like playing nickel/dime poker.
Not sure how it effects the bass population. Can only logically conclude that it does not help it.
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Post by greg on Apr 5, 2016 20:25:42 GMT -5
This tournament will be well more than 300 boats. Most anglers I know fish by themselves, since this is a single big fish event where you can weigh in a fish each hour. This tournament also brings a lot of $$ into the area's economy. The reason it is scheduled to coincide with the spawn is the same as the Elite Series in BASS, which pretty much follows the spawn. People want to see fish weighed in, and the bigger the better.
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Post by mwardncsu on Apr 5, 2016 21:04:37 GMT -5
Fishing tournaments, etc. It shall be unlawful to organize, conduct, supervise, or solicit entries for fishing tournaments, rodeos, or other fishing events on lakes, ponds, or streams owned by the Department for which prizes are offered, awarded, or accepted based on size or numbers of fish caught, either in money or other valuable considerations. This will not prohibit events approved by the Department which are intended to promote youth fishing or provide instruction, provided no prizes, as defined above, are awarded and no participation fees are charged. As stated in the handbook. With that said, does the dept. own SML? All the little tournaments are at risk. Almost like playing nickel/dime poker. DGIF does not "own" the lake..... so that does not really apply... |
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Post by mwardncsu on Apr 5, 2016 21:08:28 GMT -5
This tournament will be well more than 300 boats. Most anglers I know fish by themselves, since this is a single big fish event where you can weigh in a fish each hour. This tournament also brings a lot of $$ into the area's economy. The reason it is scheduled to coincide with the spawn is the same as the Elite Series in BASS, which pretty much follows the spawn. People want to see fish weighed in, and the bigger the better. That's why we're not having our striper tourney that weekend - it gets stupid crazy and honestly a bit dangerous on the lake with boats racing back to the hourly checkin. Didn't see as bad last year when they moved it down to Parkway and kept it away from Bridgewater - couple years ago had a bass boat cut us off on the inside corner of a right-hand turn, coming within maybe 25 feet and I wasn't sure which way to dodge all because they wanted to trim 10 seconds off that turn... No question it has a positive economic impact on the area. Interesting that I rarely hear many bass guys willing to talk about the potential impact to their fishery long-term though - all the way up to the Elite - all for a stage TV time.... same stuff we are trying to change mentality on with the striper tournaments.... does not have to see the fish weighed back on a stage to have a competitive tournament and create some "drama" and excitement..... |
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Post by greg on Apr 5, 2016 21:32:25 GMT -5
This tournament will be well more than 300 boats. Most anglers I know fish by themselves, since this is a single big fish event where you can weigh in a fish each hour. This tournament also brings a lot of $$ into the area's economy. The reason it is scheduled to coincide with the spawn is the same as the Elite Series in BASS, which pretty much follows the spawn. People want to see fish weighed in, and the bigger the better. That's why we're not having our striper tourney that weekend - it gets stupid crazy and honestly a bit dangerous on the lake with boats racing back to the hourly checkin. Didn't see as bad last year when they moved it down to Parkway and kept it away from Bridgewater - couple years ago had a bass boat cut us off on the inside corner of a right-hand turn, coming within maybe 25 feet and I wasn't sure which way to dodge all because they wanted to trim 10 seconds off that turn... No question it has a positive economic impact on the area. Interesting that I rarely hear many bass guys willing to talk about the potential impact to their fishery long-term though - all the way up to the Elite - all for a stage TV time.... same stuff we are trying to change mentality on with the striper tournaments.... does not have to see the fish weighed back on a stage to have a competitive tournament and create some "drama" and excitement..... That's why I won't be on the lake that weekend either, think I'll go up to Moomaw and get away from the mess. Major League Fishing has the best format in bass fishing tournaments these days. The fish are weighed, the weight recorded, and then instantly released back into the water. I think you'll see more of this in the future. |
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Post by bigd7400 on Apr 5, 2016 21:33:32 GMT -5
This tournament will be well more than 300 boats. Most anglers I know fish by themselves, since this is a single big fish event where you can weigh in a fish each hour. This tournament also brings a lot of $$ into the area's economy. The reason it is scheduled to coincide with the spawn is the same as the Elite Series in BASS, which pretty much follows the spawn. People want to see fish weighed in, and the bigger the better. That's why we're not having our striper tourney that weekend - it gets stupid crazy and honestly a bit dangerous on the lake with boats racing back to the hourly checkin. Didn't see as bad last year when they moved it down to Parkway and kept it away from Bridgewater - couple years ago had a bass boat cut us off on the inside corner of a right-hand turn, coming within maybe 25 feet and I wasn't sure which way to dodge all because they wanted to trim 10 seconds off that turn... No question it has a positive economic impact on the area. Interesting that I rarely hear many bass guys willing to talk about the potential impact to their fishery long-term though - all the way up to the Elite - all for a stage TV time.... same stuff we are trying to change mentality on with the striper tournaments.... does not have to see the fish weighed back on a stage to have a competitive tournament and create some "drama" and excitement..... CPR (Catch photo release) is the way to go. Us kayak guys have been on that train for a long time mostly due to lack of live wells, but its developed into a conservation mentality born of that necessity. I know its not going to take off as quick with the glitter rocket crowd due to that "spot light showmanship" issue but itd be great if it would. |
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