Brian
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Post by Brian on Jan 5, 2015 11:01:42 GMT -5
On my striper trolling reels I use braid as a backer and then load 100 feet or so of mono on top. The braid lasts for many, many years and when the mono gets too short or old, I can top off all my reels with a new new "top shot" very cheaply and easily. This also had the bonus of increasing the capacity of my reels for saltwater trips where I might hook something that will take a lot of line.
As has been said, all braid is a pain because it doesn't work well with release clips and can end up in hopeless tangles. Braid backer with a mono top-shot is the best of both worlds.
My spinning reels are all spooled up with braid with a ~10 foot flouro leader. Braid casts further and has no memory for it just works better for me on spinning reels, plus gives the extra capacity for saltwater.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2015 14:11:25 GMT -5
On my striper trolling reels I use braid as a backer and then load 100 feet or so of mono on top. The braid lasts for many, many years and when the mono gets too short or old, I can top off all my reels with a new new "top shot" very cheaply and easily. This also had the bonus of increasing the capacity of my reels for saltwater trips where I might hook something that will take a lot of line. As has been said, all braid is a pain because it doesn't work well with release clips and can end up in hopeless tangles. Braid backer with a mono top-shot is the best of both worlds. My spinning reels are all spooled up with braid with a ~10 foot flouro leader. Braid casts further and has no memory for it just works better for me on spinning reels, plus gives the extra capacity for saltwater. I'm glad to see you back Brian. Always find value in your "no nonsense" down to earth comments and advice. Maybe I like to actually see an engineer do things in a useful manner versus over complicating everything! Using braid as a backer is so against traditional wisdom that it has to be a great idea!
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Post by mwardncsu on Jan 5, 2015 14:21:13 GMT -5
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Post by Pete D. on Jan 5, 2015 14:39:21 GMT -5
Mr. Ward, I am taking your advice and going with the Suffix Superior. Found a 3300 yd. roll of 15lb for $40.
Clear or smoke blue??
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Post by smlmike on Jan 5, 2015 16:50:14 GMT -5
Ok so I have always heard to pack mono behind braid because the braid will slip on the reel with out backing. So if this true would it be mono-braid-mono with the Top Shot? Then if using a leader do we add that to the equation?
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Post by Pete D. on Jan 5, 2015 17:48:23 GMT -5
Ok so I have always heard to pack mono behind braid because the braid will slip on the reel with out backing. Me too.
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Post by striperjohn on Jan 5, 2015 18:28:18 GMT -5
I agree, I tried it and had major line slip problems on spool. Wonder if they use a rubber sleeve on the spool first?
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Post by BentRod on Jan 5, 2015 18:54:42 GMT -5
Mr. Ward, I am taking your advice and going with the Suffix Superior. Found a 3300 yd. roll of 15lb for $40. Clear or smoke blue?? Smoke blue!
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Post by Brian on Jan 5, 2015 19:06:04 GMT -5
Ok so I have always heard to pack mono behind braid because the braid will slip on the reel with out backing. So if this true would it be mono-braid-mono with the Top Shot? You are correct. Braid will slip on most spools if you don't put on a few wraps of mono (or electrical tape) first. This mono rarely gets exposed to sunlight so doesn't degrade like the top shot... To make it even more complicated. I am a big believer in flourocarbon for fish with keen eyesight, so when I'm fishing for kings/spanish, from my 6500's will have the following stackup: ~5 feet mono 300-400 feet 20lb braid (Sufix 832 or Ripcord Pro) 100 feet 20lb mono (P-Line CXX) 10-20 feet of flourocarbon leader (Seaguar Blue or Cable's branded Seaguar Blue) On the lake I don't bother with the flouro leader unless it's leftover from a saltwater trip. Knots I use: mono to spool: improved clinch anti-slip mono to braid: albright braid to topshot mono: slim beauty flouro leader: uni-uni The knot to the spool probably need more thought, though it has held the few times that I was spooled down down to the knot! Luckily a couple of times I hit the end of the line just as we were either just getting the boat turned to chase the fish or were chasing the fish too slowly. One time the hook snapped and a couple of times time the leader broke where it had been roughed up by toothy critters. Did I mention that I love saltwater fishing The albright and slim beauty are used so that in each application, the tag end points back at the spool so that when it line is zooming out during a cast or a strong run, the line will flow smoothly through the guides. Is that a complicated enough engineered fishing system for you yam?
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Post by mwardncsu on Jan 5, 2015 19:25:31 GMT -5
I agree, I tried it and had major line slip problems on spool. Wonder if they use a rubber sleeve on the spool first? Some electrical tape or even better - cloth athletic tape will help solve braid slippage on the spool - assuming the spool is not "braid ready". (Whoops - didn't refresh to see Brian'a reply first.)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2015 19:29:14 GMT -5
I would use perfection loops for the flouro and mono and a surgeon knot (loop) with the braid. Then simply put the loops together. Just make sure the loops are bigger than the spool that the loop has to go through.
This would make your complicated life a little easier in 25mph plus winds.
I use this approach for my braid to flouro leader setup when jigging. Have never had it break... Ever! And they slide through the eyes of my rod with ease!
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Post by mwardncsu on Jan 5, 2015 19:32:02 GMT -5
Is there a knot that will slide through micro-guides easily with 15 or 20 lb flourocarbon leader?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2015 19:46:32 GMT -5
What is a micro guide?
Check out the perfection loop. It's as low profile as a blood knot but much shorter and takes 1/10th of the time to tie.
The surgeon knot is perfect for braid and doesn't slip. Again.. Its very low profile.
In fact you can't get anymore low profile than these two simple knots. Thus, if any knot can get through a micro guide, these can.
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Post by Brian on Jan 5, 2015 19:47:24 GMT -5
Is there a knot that will slide through micro-guides easily with 15 or 20 lb flourocarbon leader? Not sure what micro-guides are... The problem I had with the tag pointing forward (with an albright) was with the braid to flouro leader connection on spinning rods. I actually broke some guides from the flouro tag slapping the guide during the cast. I switched to the slim beauty which points the tag back at the reel and eliminated the problem even on knots with a sloppy trimming job. The perfection loop looks like the tag end points off to the side instead of back at the reel, so in theory it wouldn't be as good as a slim beauty in my application.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2015 19:49:59 GMT -5
I'll check out that slim beauty. Off to the garage....
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