Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2015 12:58:01 GMT -5
Ok, OK.....I'll quit complaining.  It's just the thought of an UNKNOWN number of 28-29 inch fish with big heads and fat bodies, that look like studs in training being taken out of the lake is very very worrisome to me......  |
|
|
|
Post by striperjohn on Jan 18, 2015 13:03:39 GMT -5
Amen bigun
Sent from my SM-G900R4 using proboards
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 9:03:13 GMT -5
I wish you guys would get involved or talk to Dan to better understand it - clearly you're passionate too and that's awesome. Dan's data shows normal growth in our fish from 2004 to 2009 - the fish grew at normal rates with the parasite. Leesville fish with the parasite are growing normal. Tennessee fish with the parasite are growing normal. SML fish are all roadblocking at 28-30". Every growth indicator/piece of data Dan had all suggested the same thing - that we were headed backwards. Dan told us for years that what we had was what we had - (he still doesn't think SML will grow a state record fish even if we fixed the growth). In 2013, he picked up on the growth trending backwards and reached out to several organizations looking for help because what he saw in our fish didn't match what was happening on Leesville or in Tn. He actually saw the same negative growth trend from 1998-2002 before the 2003 fish kill and nobody would listen to him then until the fishery crashed. He was going to take and took action this time regardless of what any of us wanted - he was just nice enough to involve others in the process - in fact every single one of us had an opportunity to be involved in the regulation change. If you didn't get involved then, quite honestly you shouldn't be complaining now. Bigun, you prove Dan right by saying you catch a bunch of 28-29" fish. I'm with you on losing a bunch of good fish and I don't know what the answer is (if it makes you happy I didn't get the change I even wanted), but I have sat through hours and hours of meetings on this and I do know what the intentions of the DGIF were. I motion that someone video tapes the meetings when Dan is present and then posts them. This could provide you guys with an easy escape.. "Watch the freakin video!" Seems efficient, informative and at the very least, would lessen the number of long winded repetitive answers to the same questions. |
|
|
|
Post by mwardncsu on Jan 28, 2015 10:56:35 GMT -5
I motion that someone video tapes the meetings when Dan is present and then posts them. This could provide you guys with an easy escape.. "Watch the freakin video!" Seems efficient, informative and at the very least, would lessen the number of long winded repetitive answers to the same questions. But then we can't twist the facts to our liking......  Just kidding......  We have been recording the Striper Club meetings for most of the last year so that members that can't make a meeting can view a presentation if they want - so when we have Dan come next we'll have it recorded and would be willing to make that one more generally available for view (usually the recording are limited to member-only access). |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 17:05:34 GMT -5
A serious discussion of this topic has room for many disagreements.  |
|
|
|
Post by mwardncsu on Mar 9, 2015 19:55:58 GMT -5
I motion that someone video tapes the meetings when Dan is present and then posts them. This could provide you guys with an easy escape.. "Watch the freakin video!" Seems efficient, informative and at the very least, would lessen the number of long winded repetitive answers to the same questions. But then we can't twist the facts to our liking...... Just kidding...... We have been recording the Striper Club meetings for most of the last year so that members that can't make a meeting can view a presentation if they want - so when we have Dan come next we'll have it recorded and would be willing to make that one more generally available for view (usually the recording are limited to member-only access). As promised.... smlfishingforums.proboards.com/thread/2457/smith-mountain-striper-club?page=1&scrollTo=20805 |
|
BentRod
Global Moderator
Posts: 2,252
|
Post by BentRod on Mar 10, 2015 6:29:23 GMT -5
I agree with everything Dan said with the exception of the 2014 bait - I'm not buying we're short on big gizzards - moneymakers, maybe, but not big shad. There's not a significant difference in the bait we had in 2007 and what we have now from an anglers perspective. 2011 forage data makes sense - we couldn't catch it to save us. The only major difference I can see from 07 to 14 is the dramatic decline of threadfin shad which were essentially wiped out in the winters between 2008-2010, which just happen to be the years the striper growth slowed. I need to do some research on the diet of a Striper, but I don't think it's unreasonable to think the threadfin provided a meal at a time of year that the gizzards are not - potentially in late spring, early summer around the spawn?
|
|
|
|
Post by striperjohn on Mar 10, 2015 7:41:10 GMT -5
The Threadfin diet of stripers is critical because it does augment their diet. They spawn in spring but have a secondary spawn in fall which is different from other shad species. Problem is they die quick when water temps hit 42 degrees. This "global warming" we been having the last 5-7 years has dropped Sml temps way below the norm of the past. I can recall stripers surrounding a huge school of threadfin at the big shoal in Craddock and we caught fish for 4 hours breaking nonstop.  . |
|
It's just the thought of an UNKNOWN number of 28-29 inch fish with big heads and fat bodies, that look like studs in training being taken out of the lake is very very worrisome to me...... 
Just kidding...... 
