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Post by sewelljx on Jun 13, 2015 15:08:26 GMT -5
Bait has been tough in the lower lake....lots of ales at the light we hing off the boat but could only manage about 8-10. Hit r21-r16 from 6:30-8:30 first fish was another good smallmouth. Missed a good bite then broke one off before finally landing a 30" 10lb 2oz fish. Finished the day with a 5.5lber. 3 fish and 5 bites out of only 8 baits not bad.
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Post by sewelljx on Jun 15, 2015 16:53:19 GMT -5
Wanted to add a little more info. now that I am home and partially recovered from the last week. I headed down solo Tuesday a few days before the rest of the group of 8 that came down Fri-Sun. This is an annual fishing trip where we rent houseboats and fishing boats from Parrot cove and spend the weekend fishing and bs'ing. I set up at eagles roost on Tues and picked the fishing boat on Wed. Barely got a few decent ales before sunup on Thurs after having nav light trouble on the boat Wed nite. Was fishing at the s-curve by 5:30 and first fish withing 10 minutes heading south at R-21. www.dropbox.com/sc/rhmubfkknu607jt/AABQuzdJr-3PU1YACIanHkjmaAs soon as I crank that one in, pic, and release the second of the only 2 lines gets hit and land this and only dink of the week. www.dropbox.com/sc/5ss6sdlt3c38nz7/AAD2hDa4TXcpd185GwPaokBEaGet lines back out and catch a nice smallie. www.dropbox.com/sc/0jn5pvnrxepvan4/AAAK9LKKHB-xjuEsM5ej8MocaAbout an hour goes by and after getting to R-17 turn around, short time after that a line on the deep side gets slammed and the bent over rod almost whacks me in the head. Knew this was a good one and was amazed that with 8 lines out I didn't get a cluster&$#! and landed this nice ~30" 10lb fish. www.dropbox.com/sc/n1nwg1vphu1wnhf/AACaDvqntPRH9glaEpRJW0G7aPhone went crazy and was getting foul mouthed comments about how cruel I was sending the guys pics and vid while they were stuck at work. Called it a day when 2 jetskiers almost clothes lined themselves on board lines as they passed way too close. I know i was in a congested area so quickly cranked lines in and headed home. Struggled with bait again Thurs. nite and awoke to nothing in the light in the am. Fri. so slept in. We park the houseboat for the wknd down past the dam as to not pee anyone off with our antics. This can sometimes prove finding a light close by a challenge which proved to be the case Fri. nite. Did catch some bait off of the LED light we dropped off the houseboat. Ordered a bunch of new toys from Extreme Fishing Concepts and this one turned out to be a good purchase. As you can see from the report above we did ok, below are the pics. www.dropbox.com/sc/erixozl588xt9z1/AABDtyqm3wziWqckuodXYAN5awww.dropbox.com/sc/758rvbvyy5s63nq/AAD9D2O4QM4qYxZLWs5zj8itawww.dropbox.com/sc/ehdabm18vpu6io1/AAB6UWSDyQc62gGveExxOYpOaThe biggest one was my buddies first SML striper. Finally caught some really nice sized ales off of the houseboat light Sat, nite and could barely get to sleep at 2am. thinking about the next morning. Woke up 3 hrs later heartbroken to half of them floating and the other half taking a dirt nap on the bottom. WTF? This was a home made tank that has a venturi and filter and did fine with a few we tested the night before. We noticed that the current the pump/aerator were causing were actually stressing the ales to the point of killing them so we just kept in on a few mins/hr. Can this current from the aerator kill the bait? We didn't overload the 25 gallon tank as there were only about 20 in there. I think they were over salted, I think one of the guys threw some in not knowing I already had. What is your input? All fish caught on freeline and light line planers and all fish were released back to the lake to get bigger. This is something that I probably wouldn't have done and encouraged without the information obtained from reading this board. All in all a great trip as I got to spend time with some great people and we caught some fish. Some largemouth were caught but as I bass fish >100 days/yr I focused on stripers. Sad to leave the state......my fiance and I are relocating to Houston, TX in a month (damn work)and hope this doesn't keep me from SML too long. |
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Post by mwardncsu on Jun 15, 2015 18:00:34 GMT -5
Nice trip and sounds like some good times.
Sorry about the bait - I wonder if it was thermal shock. What size pump (gph) do you have? Can't remember what's in a Vest 20 gal - maybe a 360 gph - certainly no more than a 500 gph. Was the Venturi working good?
How much salt were you putting in? (That maybe was doubled). I use about a cup per 10 gal. Doubt 2X that would have killed the baits.
Sounds like you recovered from it though with a win!
Enjoy humid Houston.... Know you'll be clammoring to get back to SML - but at least there is some good fishing down there too
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2015 19:10:21 GMT -5
The solubility of dissolved oxygen decreases as salinity increases.
Many would argue that a cup of salt per 10 gallons may be too much salt when WT is warm.
Bait with more scales that can't breathe still equals dead bait.
The Dannco can't save the day if the max solubility of DO is too low.
Just some points to ponder.
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Post by sewelljx on Jun 16, 2015 6:50:02 GMT -5
Mike-I have to check but I think it's a 500gph pump on the aerator and the venturi was working well just seemed like the circular flow was too much for the ales.
Yam-I think you are on the right track....wt was climbing quickly with the 90 degree days that week I really think it was too much salt. Brined ales=poor striper bait.
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Post by striperjohn on Jun 16, 2015 7:09:05 GMT -5
Might think about whether you had something on your hands when you added salt and or cleaned filter. Killed a tankful like that before.
With one alewive per gallon you should of had plenty of good water considering your dannco was working properly. I use a different pump output diffuser in summer versus spring and fall. Instead of one big hole in the pump output to the tank make 4 slices with a small jigsaw blade. This makes major small bubbles and slows the flow down a bit which allows for more O2 absorbed into water.
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Post by mwardncsu on Jun 16, 2015 7:38:29 GMT -5
Had you applied sunscreen? That will kill a tank of bait in a hurry.
Temperature shock can also do it.
I've been using a cup / 10 gal year round for over 5 years without issue. I like to keep the water near 65 in the summer - rising to no more than about 70-72.
As water temp rises it holds less dissolved O2 as well - and ammonia is more lethal.
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Post by BentRod on Jun 16, 2015 8:01:07 GMT -5
I highly doubt it was temperature shock this time of year. Temperature shock is a lot harder than people make it out to be. Water quality and aeration or lack thereof are usually your biggest culprits to dying bait. Temperature shock would be immediately noticeable as soon as the bait hit the water.
I'm a big believer in water less than 70deg this time of year. Also, imo alewives will live longer on well water than anything - think it's pH related.
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Post by striperjohn on Jun 16, 2015 10:34:10 GMT -5
Had you applied sunscreen? That will kill a tank of bait in a hurry. Temperature shock can also do it. I've been using a cup / 10 gal year round for over 5 years without issue. I like to keep the water near 65 in the summer - rising to no more than about 70-72. As water temp rises it holds less dissolved O2 as well - and ammonia is more lethal. Thats my point Mike. Either he or his friend added sunscreen and or the aeration was not working properly. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2015 13:58:47 GMT -5
Also, imo alewives will live longer on well water than anything - think it's pH related. Nice report sewelljx, can't beat good times with friends...... Have never tried the well water, was always afraid there wasn't as much oxygen in it where it was underground..... will definitely try it.... thanks Tyler. Dissolved oxygen The dissolved oxygen (DO) is oxygen that is dissolved in water. The oxygen dissolves by diffusion from the surrounding air; aeration of water that has tumbled over falls and rapids; and as a waste product of photosynthesis. Fish and aquatic animals cannot split oxygen from water (H2O) or other oxygen-containing compounds. Only green plants and some bacteria can do that through photosynthesis and similar processes. Virtually all the oxygen we breath is manufactured by green plants. A total of three-fourths of the earth’s oxygen supply is produced by phytoplankton in the oceans. The temperature effect If water is too warm, there may not be enough oxygen in it. When there are too many bacteria or aquatic animal in the area, they may overpopulate, using DO in great amounts. Oxygen levels also can be reduced through overfertilization of water plants by run-off from farm fields containing phosphates and nitrates (the ingredients in fertilizers). Under these conditions, the numbers and size of water plants increase. Then, if the weather becomes cloudy for several days, respiring plants will use much of the available DO. When these plants die, they become food for bacteria, which in turn multiply and use large amounts of oxygen. And this depleting all the oxygen. How much DO an aquatic organism needs depends upon its species, its physical state, water temperature, pollutants present, and more. Consequently, it’s impossible to accurately predict minimum DO levels for specific fish and aquatic animals. For example, at 5 oC (41 oF), trout use about 50-60 milligrams (mg) of oxygen per hour; at 25 oC (77 oF), they may need five or six times that amount. Fish are cold-blooded animals. They use more oxygen at higher temperatures because their metabolic rates increase. Numerous scientific studies suggest that 4-5 parts per million (ppm) of DO is the minimum amount that will support a large, diverse fish population. The DO level in good fishing waters generally averages about 9.0 parts per million (ppm). Environmental Impact Total dissolved gas concentrations in water should not exceed 110 percent. Concentrations above this level can be harmful to aquatic life. Fish in waters containing excessive dissolved gases may suffer from "gas bubble disease"; however, this is a very rare occurrence. The bubbles or emboli block the flow of blood through blood vessels causing death. External bubbles (emphysema) can also occur and be seen on fins, on skin and on other tissue. Aquatic invertebrates are also affected by gas bubble disease but at levels higher than those lethal to fish. Adequate dissolved oxygen is necessary for good water quality. Oxygen is a necessary element to all forms of life. Natural stream purification processes require adequate oxygen levels in order to provide for aerobic life forms. As dissolved oxygen levels in water drop below 5.0 mg/l, aquatic life is put under stress. The lower the concentration, the greater the stress. Oxygen levels that remain below 1-2 mg/l for a few hours can result in large fish kills. Biologically speaking, however, the level of oxygen is a much more important measure of water quality than feacal coliform. Dissolved oxygen is absolutely essential for the survival of all aquatic organisms ( not only fish but also invertebrates suach as crabs, clams, zooplankton, etc). Moreover, oxygen affects a vast number of other water indicators, not only biochemical but esthetic ones like the odor, clarity and taste. Consequently, oxygen is perhaps the most well-established indicator of water quality. |
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Post by mwardncsu on Jun 16, 2015 15:10:22 GMT -5
Hi - my name is Bigun, and I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night   dang- reading that makes my head hurt  I have heard concerns on well water and lack of oxygen, but seems if you run the tank for a little while before putting bait in then all is generally well..... Mike |
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Post by archenemy on Jun 16, 2015 16:22:56 GMT -5
If you don't have well water you can use tap water even if it contains chlorine. I do this during the summer before I leave the house. I add bait saver which removes the harmful stuff. The water is clean and cool and can be warmed up a bit with lake water.
Works well for me and very little knowledge of DO necessary
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Post by striperjohn on Jun 16, 2015 16:31:53 GMT -5
Damn bigun is that you or has your screenname been stolen by yam?;D
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2015 17:36:40 GMT -5
All I was saying is that it is possible that too much salt was the problem. Not saying it was too much salt. Just saying it is possible that salt was the problem.
It is also good to know that like temperature, salt lowers the amount of DO that can be available in the water.
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Post by Gator on Jun 16, 2015 19:07:32 GMT -5
Damn Bigun.....I thought we all knew that.
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